The Therapeutic Potential of 5-MeO-DMT: A Conversation with Roger Kaufman, LMFT and Dustin Kerrone, LMFT

Fri, 02 Oct 2026 00:00:00 -0700

In The FIVE Institute’s recent seminar, psychotherapists Roger Kaufman, LMFT and Dustin Kerrone, LMFT joined The FIVE Institute co-founders Joel Brierre and Victoria Wueschner for a conversation about the therapeutic potential of 5-MeO-DMT.

Roger and Dustin are co-hosts and co-facilitators of therapeutic 5-MeO-DMT retreats at Sky Mountain in the Sonoran Desert, as well as alumni of The FIVE Institute’s 9-Month 5-MeO-DMT Facilitator Training Program. Both came to this work after years in psychotherapy, giving them a unique perspective on what changes when psychedelic experiences are held within a broader therapeutic process.

Integration Is the Medicine

Tue, 21 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0700

The 5-MeO-DMT experience lasts 20 minutes. Integration lasts a lifetime.

Here’s the part nobody tells you: most practitioners don’t really understand what integration means.

You’ve probably heard it’s important. Maybe you’ve even nodded along in conversations about it. But deep down? You’re wondering what it actually looks like in practice. That uncertainty you’re feeling?

Integration on The FIVE Institute

The Therapeutic Potential of 5-MeO-DMT: A Conversation with Roger Kaufman, LMFT and Dustin Kerrone, LMFT

Integration Is the Medicine